When it happens, the Loyalists will be known by their green front lawns, and the Rebels by their cacti. The Loyalists will at long last return from exile, and flee to their ancient lands in the North ...
"it is always the most boring people imaginable" - Cascadians would beg to disagree.
"Texans do it because it’s in their blood. Californians do it because they’ve totally committed to the bit of civilizational suicide." - cali was independent twice
"xactly one region in the continental United States that could plausibly make a real case for separation without sounding like a diabetic county commissioner" - again, cascadians and new englanders beg to differ, as do southerners at times.
"like it was assembled by airport consultants and regional hospital administrators" - dont witness that in cascadia, especially not portland or vancouver, bc
"It would not need to summon the ghosts of 1776 every time it wanted to justify itself." - bruh it already does, far more than cascadia or even the former confederacy (recall arizona and new mexico were part of the csa in the war of northern aggression)
"Four Corners Nationalism, by contrast, has decent raw material." - cascadia and the south do too, no?
6th generation 4-cornersian here. I'm a bit skeptical. The people here are attached to America as a whole, and it's difficult to imagine Utah not insisting at least SE Idaho also come along. However, ngl, the whole reclaim the Colorado river thing would be pretty based.
I nominate Flagstaff and Santa Fe for capital consideration
Technically it was that all the Mormons in my 25% Mormon town wouldn't have supported it, but really it was becoming a 16yo "socialist" (I'm 16 and I want to get political moment)
LOL. not surprised about the Mormons. I'm in my mid-20s and have always had sympathies for independence movements like Tibet, Cascadia, the U.S South, Chechnya, and Occitania. Even when I was a little kid.
"Blacks remain a relatively small share of the demographic map: scattered, contained" - 'member meeting far more africans from africa than actual african-americans, most 4CN african-americans are super conservative and trump supporting and/or heavily mixed (bantu immigrants in arizona are far more trump leaning than 4CN African-Americans
"I see no reason it should remain American forever.
Indeed, I suspect that the single most American thing the Four Corners should do: is leave."
american/canadian identity is already dead in cascadia and in california. dying to an extent down south too and in quebec
100% agreed otherwise, we're already in a post-american/post-canadian world
do have to say though, too many big businesses in az compared to nm and co and ut.
When it happens, the Loyalists will be known by their green front lawns, and the Rebels by their cacti. The Loyalists will at long last return from exile, and flee to their ancient lands in the North ...
https://swiftenterprises.substack.com/p/the-sunburned-exiles
Primary exports: copper, beef, water
Primary imports: sunscreen
National religion: Mescaline Mormonism
National dish: green chili jello
Mythic folk hero: Walter White
Foreign policy: extort California, annex Rocky Point
Infrastructure: a lifted 4x4 in every garage
b'ezrat Hashem, all of sonora and the baja californias too
zomg brilliant. This belongs in the Old Glory Club, the case is surprisingly compelling, even if you're just bullshitting me. Marvelous work!
Oh, and, as a New Englander, that jab at the northeast was.... well, fucking spot on, haha
"it is always the most boring people imaginable" - Cascadians would beg to disagree.
"Texans do it because it’s in their blood. Californians do it because they’ve totally committed to the bit of civilizational suicide." - cali was independent twice
"xactly one region in the continental United States that could plausibly make a real case for separation without sounding like a diabetic county commissioner" - again, cascadians and new englanders beg to differ, as do southerners at times.
"like it was assembled by airport consultants and regional hospital administrators" - dont witness that in cascadia, especially not portland or vancouver, bc
"It would not need to summon the ghosts of 1776 every time it wanted to justify itself." - bruh it already does, far more than cascadia or even the former confederacy (recall arizona and new mexico were part of the csa in the war of northern aggression)
"Four Corners Nationalism, by contrast, has decent raw material." - cascadia and the south do too, no?
6th generation 4-cornersian here. I'm a bit skeptical. The people here are attached to America as a whole, and it's difficult to imagine Utah not insisting at least SE Idaho also come along. However, ngl, the whole reclaim the Colorado river thing would be pretty based.
I nominate Flagstaff and Santa Fe for capital consideration
deseret claimed most of az and ca, along with parts of co, or, and nm just before the wna/wbts, and they were almost independent
I was a Deseret nationalist when I was 15 lol
wmycy mind?
Technically it was that all the Mormons in my 25% Mormon town wouldn't have supported it, but really it was becoming a 16yo "socialist" (I'm 16 and I want to get political moment)
LOL. not surprised about the Mormons. I'm in my mid-20s and have always had sympathies for independence movements like Tibet, Cascadia, the U.S South, Chechnya, and Occitania. Even when I was a little kid.
"Blacks remain a relatively small share of the demographic map: scattered, contained" - 'member meeting far more africans from africa than actual african-americans, most 4CN african-americans are super conservative and trump supporting and/or heavily mixed (bantu immigrants in arizona are far more trump leaning than 4CN African-Americans
"I see no reason it should remain American forever.
Indeed, I suspect that the single most American thing the Four Corners should do: is leave."
american/canadian identity is already dead in cascadia and in california. dying to an extent down south too and in quebec
100% agreed otherwise, we're already in a post-american/post-canadian world
do have to say though, too many big businesses in az compared to nm and co and ut.
I foresee a terrible border conflict when the 4CR tries to annex El Paso.
El Paso is part of NM in all ways except legal, we have the right to it
Billions must die.
if it is, then most of nm east of the rio grande is tx
Fair trade tbh
texian independentists are already calling for eastern new mexico to rejoin tx
This was the plot of Larry McMurtry’s “Dead Man’s Walk.” Ended poorly that time, I’m afraid.
Anyone heard of Aridoamerica/Mexisalada? Northern Mexico's independence movement at all?
There is absolutely no reason to go and tell everybody.